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Summary
I need some help explaining a DPM anomaly I'm seeing with Spark Plug - before I make a final decision to post it in the Bugs & Issues thread.

Brief
Spark Plug weapon is fully upgraded on these two pics.
Pic 1 (attached to this post) shows Spark Plug with Survivor Complex Gear Set and Delta head. (95,000k and 230.49b DPM).
Pic 2 shows Spark Plug with Tough Bunny and Head of State head. (180.5m and 110.74b DPM)
Take a close look at the DPM number in both pics - this is what I need someone to help me out with an explanation please and/or share your own observations.

Testing the weapon
I've tested the weapon in My Base Test Defence with both gear sets. There's no doubt it performs better with Tough Bunny gear than it does with Survivor Complex gear.

Event comments
I'm going to deliberately not comment on the event (Tokyo Nights template with 4/9/14/19/24 and extended timeline) used to acquire this weapon - there are comments on this in other threads. The event still has approximately 24 hours until it ends at the time of this post. If the numbers change (after the event ends - like they did with Pacifier) I will post back here.

DPM usefulness comment
Full disclosure, since DPM was introduced in 2018 I must confess I have learnt not to rely on it. There's plenty of posts elsewhere in these forums on this. Reference (which includes a link to the original developers notes on Damage Per Minute - DPM incase anyone wants it):
viewtopic.php?f=2031&t=702625&p=3996719#p3996719


[Edit. Changed name of thread to expand scope to include Critical damage bonus anomalies also - because I have discovered what I think are compound errors in this regard (and there was no point starting a new thread) - see below in thread or skip forward here - ref:
viewtopic.php?f=2031&t=712034&p=4125380#p4125380 ]
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Re: Spark Plug - DPM anomalies

Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:11 am
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Summary
I need some help explaining a DPM anomaly I'm seeing with Spark Plug - before I make a final decision to post it in the Bugs & Issues thread.

Brief
Spark Plug weapon is fully upgraded on these two pics.
Pic 1 (attached to this post) shows Spark Plug with Survivor Complex Gear Set and Delta head. (95,000k and 230.49b DPM).
Pic 2 shows Spark Plug with Tough Bunny and Head of State head. (180.5m and 110.74b DPM)
Take a close look at the DPM number in both pics - this is what I need someone to help me out with an explanation please and/or share your own observations.

Testing the weapon
I've tested the weapon in My Base Test Defence with both gear sets. There's no doubt it performs better with Tough Bunny gear than it does with Survivor Complex gear.

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Pic 2: Spark Plug with Tough Bunny and HoS head.
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Re: Spark Plug - DPM anomalies

Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:55 pm
Try it with Urchin gearset and Head of State head. 104.5 million with a 285.6 billion DPM kills 11 stars with little problem and all 11 star bases if used with unlimited ammo boost gambit in pvp.
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Re: Spark Plug - DPM anomalies

Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:56 pm
Its also not bad with Hornet gear set and Head of State head.
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Re: Spark Plug - DPM anomalies

Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:46 pm
You lose all the critical hit bonus with the weapon affinity using tough bunny gear. However it still works due to the sniper bonus using that gear. It just shows a lower dpm due to the loss of weapon affinity critical hit bonus. I think you will find Urchin setup works best in PVP even with the one shot loss of rocket power given by tough bunny.
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Re: Spark Plug - DPM anomalies

Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:46 pm
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You lose all the critical hit bonus with the weapon affinity using tough bunny gear. However it still works due to the sniper bonus using that gear. It just shows a lower dpm due to the loss of weapon affinity critical hit bonus. I think you will find Urchin setup works best in PVP even with the one shot loss of rocket power given by tough bunny.

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Thank you for responses LT. Most helpful.

Will test it out.
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(Edit: Pic attached is from original announcement on Facebook of DPM and is not related to response to LT - above. Wanted to capture it somewhere in the forum because, of late, Facebook - in this part of the world anyway - is proving to be an unreliable source of record keeping).
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Spark Plug - Critical hit damage bonus

Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:15 am
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Critical hit damage bonus - errors
During testing of the Spark Plug weapon with different gear sets (re: above in thread) I think I've discovered a number of errors.

Gear / Weapon set up
Gear set: Captain XXIII Gear set
Head: Head of State
Gear afffinty: Exclusive
Weapon: Spark Plug
Weapon affinity: Keen

(Note: The above gear set and weapon do not have matching affinities).

Screen pics summary

Pic 1 (this post)
PvP screen:
3.0x Critical damage bonus multiplier (total displayed)

Pic 2 and Pic 3 (next two posts)
PvP Buff (drill down) screen
5.0x Critical damage bonus multiplier (total displayed)
N.Nx Component contributions to total are displayed

Pic 4 (next)
Weapon affinity screen
3.0x Critical damage bonus multiplier

Pic 5 (last in series)
Weapon screen
Shows no inherent critical damage bonus multiplier

Gear piece critical damage bonus multipliers
Headgear: 0.7x
Head: 1.0x
Armour: 0.7x
Arms: 0.7x 
Legs: 0.7x

Maths (simple)

0.7 + 0.7 + 0.7 + 0.7 + 1.0 = 3.8
(3.8 is not 3.0 and it is not 5.0)

(0.7 * 4) + 1.0 + 2.0 = 5.8
(5.8 is not 3.0 and it is not 5.0)


Weapon critical damage bonus multiplier(s)?
With affinity should be 3.0x (Pic 4)
Without affinity there appears to be an extra 2.0x inherent (Pic 3) but it is not displayed where it should be (Pic 5).


Mysteries and observations

A. The total (of the critical damage bonus multipliers) in Pic 1 (3.0x) and Pics 2 & 3 (5.0x) should (probably) match each other - regardless of what gear and weapon are selected.

B. Both the numbers in A. (above) are incorrect as far as I can see (I'm meaning mathematically incorrect - see maths above).

C. The weapon critical damage bonus multiplier numbers in Pic 3 (2.0x) and Pic 4 (3.0x) could provide confusion. I get that these are typically two individual numbers (one inherent multiplier and another multiplier that kicks in when the affinity is active) but there is no critical bonus damage multiplier number shown with the weapon in Pic 5.

D. I don't have a way to test exactly what critical damage bonus multiplier is actually applied during gameplay.


Other gear with critical multipliers
I have not yet checked this issue more broadly (across other gear sets and other weapon combinations) as yet - although I am considering it as we have (for those with good memories) been in a very similar situation to this one in the past. Reference:
viewtopic.php?f=2031&t=694007


[Edit: Added Pic 5 reference and made text a bit clearer]

[Edit: Note now that I am observing the "0.7x" figures cited in this post changing.  See explanation of this, and Pic 6 & 7 in the following post:
viewtopic.php?f=2031&t=712034&p=4125688#p4125688
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Re: Spark Plug - Critical damage bonus

Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:19 am
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Re: Spark Plug - Critical damage bonus

Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:20 am
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Re: Spark Plug - Critical damage bonus

Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:24 am
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So... Am I missing something here?

PS. If HoS head is swapped out for Yelena Head (above) the observations are the same.
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